Akb48 no dating rule

It is the norm in Japan that idols are forbidden by their management to be in a love-relationship: The no-dating policy is perhaps one of the main reasons idols tend to graduate before they reach their 30s.

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They want to be in a relationship and get married too! The company sought for an amount of 9. In April , when the idol was 19 years old, she signed a contract with the company so she would become a member of an idol group. The contract contained a clause which forbade the woman from dating any male fans, or risk getting sued for damages.

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In spite of her contract, the woman started dating a male fan around December She conveyed her intention to quit working for the company in July and did not appear in concerts she was scheduled to perform at. These are the years that shape you! To forbid love or romance is inhuman, it's brainwashing. It's better to be Taylor Swift and to be ridiculed for dating too many than to never know what dating is till your mid-twenties. To be able to love and to be loved or even to discover love is a basic human right. To forbid it is barbaric. Some of that makes me think, "And what was the source for info on all these nefarious mindgames?

Corporate Japan has always been too involved in employees lives sacrificing leisure time and having to mover away from family etc. They choose a ridiculously large number of 'members' so that they cater to a wide variety of otakus' tastes. How long have you been in Japan, mate? Fans, if you like an idol soooo much, why not let the idol live a normal life? It looks like that idols are suffering from neo-slavery. More like "vaguely connected hangers-on. Also, the actual contracts the idols sign are onerous enough and the nature of the gigs and appearances are probably volatile enough to restrict their opportunities for off-the-clock socializing without anyone having to manipulate them or play tricks.

I mean, why do you need a sneaky motive to provide the idols with their favorite snacks in the dressing rooms? The stuff that's vetted as true already damns the idol industry without rumors and anonymous whistle-blowers making these kinds of claims. Not many of which could be redressed legally, if you'll notice. I think that's an important point. Rather than attacking the legality of the contracts and paperwork and start the ball rolling towards idols controlling their own destinies via more equitable contracts, we get these conspiracy theory-level things no one could really do anything about.

Juicy stuff to justify the hate-watching, but nothing that requires anyone actually get involved. This is exactly what this country is about. And the saddest part is that the sheeple willingly go along with it. I despise bullies and here the number of bullies per square mile must be the highest in the world. How much do these girls get paid to put up with these sub-humane conditions? How can Japanese laws allow this is out of my mind, no wonder some are calling this country "medieval".

This is probably one of the most manipulative articles I've ever read. First of all, idols when they sign their contracts and enter into the idol world know the routine. They know the agreement and commitment they have to do what they are doing and keeping out of relationships for themselves.

I love how nobody bats an eye at the fact that the same conditions for idols apply to those who enroll in military and have to endure months of "basic" training without so much as even looking at an attractive female. The whole point is that the idols are doing a JOB, one that is demanding of their time, and the way the management helps keep the idols focused, using these kind of tactics if this is even true, as people speaking on conditions of "anonymity" allow a lot of freedom to say whatever without actually having anything to back it up.

That's more suspicious than what's suggested the talent agencies are doing, IMO , I feel, is very smart. Kind of like how you have to be manipulative when you're a parent in order to get kids to do what you want them to do. Anyone who disagrees with me there probably isn't a parent. Both idols are very much alone often, living by themselves, having to do grocery shopping for themselves, and don't have management breathing down their necks every five seconds. They have PLENTY of alone time to do whatever they want, including finding a boyfriend, if they don't want to be idols anymore.

But the fact is, they don't want to do that, because they are driven to try and find success as musicians and idols. It's something nobody here apparently understands, because you would rather take the word of a person who is "anonymous" than watch an actual documentary showcasing how idols really live and work in Japan. If you took five seconds to actually see what it's all about, you wouldn't be calling this kind of thing disgusting, you would realize it's all a fun, interesting subculture with its own set of rules that all make sense in the context of the subculture it predicates.

Many of these girls are in their early to mid teens. The long work hours alone, not to mention exploitative contract clauses, are most certainly strictly forbidden under Japan's child labor laws and other worker protections. This is obviously yet another matter of a lack of enforcement of human rights issues rendering these laws toothless. This article is about keeping idol singers from romantic relationships - not about politicians. These seems counter-intuitive to a degree. If it is known that idols have no chance of going out with anyone, wouldn't fans lose hope in ever going out with them?

If an idol were to date a fan from time to time, that would supercharge hope for other fans I would assume. Also, how many members from the various idol clans are now porn stars? Giving young girls a chance to really follow their dreams to become objectified What a crock of crap. Christ, japanese logic and practices here never cease to entertain me. The documentary I was referring to wasn't done by AKB.

It was done by an objective third party production company. So now on top of idols being fake, you are going to say other companies that have nothing to do with idols are also not trying to show anything objectively? Also, the porn argument doesn't really work with idols.

Take AKB for instance. So yeah, porn objectifies women, sure, I suppose you could argue that, but the idol industry empowers women to be exactly who they want to be. There's way more than five girls who have gone on from AKB to now become exactly what they wanted to be, such as solo artists, seiyus, and big time movie actresses, all of which would've been hard to do had they NOT been in AKB.

Also, to compare the idol industry to slavery is insulting to the millions of people worldwide who either were actual slaves or are slaves currently.

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Girls sign up to be idols, they can get out anytime, and they are expected to work their butts off while being idols. I think the real issue is that so many of us are trained to think that teenagers should sit on their butts at home, watch tv, and work as little as possible, instead of actually hold real jobs and do work they can be proud of later on in their lives.

And in Japan, this makes total sense that the girls work to the point of sheer exhaustion, as Japan values work above everything else, even at the expense of not having real relationships. You could probably argue that is what's wrong with Japan as a whole nation, but I would argue counter, that most people in this world have lost the will to work, and expect everything to be just given to them by their parents, or by society.

Good for these idols who work long hours to achieve their dreams, and good for the managers who help make it happen by keeping the girls focused on their VOLUNTARY jobs. I appreciate the works of several female western artists. But I ain't gona throw a tantrum if they decide to live normal lives and have boyfriends. What's wrong with these fans and japan's infamous entertainment industry? Sadly though, whenever any of the girls get any, are found out and chucked out, there are plenty more for the band where they came from.

Utterly incoherent and baseless? And I'm hardly being preachy, as that implies I'm trying to sell you on an idea. I'm not, but it's really frustrating when misinformation is spread not only about something I love, i. And you can expect that any single time there is anything involving AKB or about painting idols or the idol industry in a negative light here on JT, I will be here to inject reality into the conversation.

And by the way, sighclops, it's against JT's terms of use that when you comment, you insult people on here like you just did to me. Maybe JT should be warned about you, given that I'm not insulting anyone on here with what I'm discussing, just adding a counterpoint view to what obviously goes against the popular and very, very misguided sentiment about the idol industry that this kind of article not only conveys, but cultivates through all the comments here on JT, many of which I could say are the very definition of "baseless," provided nobody ever offers up facts to support what they are saying.

At least I do. People around the world join armed forces, police, emergency services etc. To do so, they must show devotion and willingness to obey the rules. If the pay isn't great and conditions are strenuous including a very real possibility of killed , we can assume they are doing it because they want to. It's not like they've been thrown in a van on the way home from school or university. They sign up because they want to. They continue because they want to. When they no longer want to, they can quit. I assume they are not locked in cages every night.

There's more than a few people in the entertainment industry not just in Japan who have it much worse, and they put up with crap living conditions because they want to make it big. I find Idol otaku like certain someone hilarious trying very hard to defend the indefensible while insisting he is not biased but to no avail. I may be an otaku too but even I feel discomfort with how idol industry works especially the consequence the idols deal with when they are found out that they were in romantic relationships. There ought to be a union for idols. There ought to be labor laws that protect them.

There ought be people telling starstruck young women to avoid the idol business. I think that is what most people might not understand is that the idol industry is VOLUNTARY and it requires a huge commitment by those that enter into it, plain and simple. It's not McDonalds and it isn't a steel mill, so unions and things like that go directly against the whole point of being dedicated to what they must endure in order to be successful as an idol. It's not for the faint of heart, which is why I made the comparison to idols not being able to date no different than when soldiers enter into basic training The average age of AKB, if you want to use them as an example, is , though they have been getting a lot of younger idols to fill their ranks these days.

But if that is what you are referring to, idols who are really young, that's still their decision to make, and they can't do anything without the parent's consent, and they aren't forced to do anything. Actually, the younger idols are fiercely protected by staff and management, at least when it comes to AKB. I think the problem is that most people just don't ever watch anything about idols or go to idol concerts or go to idol handshake events. I mean, you would see that it isn't at all what the media continues to portray idols to be, i.

The last handshake event I went to for AKB had probably just as many girls and young kids there as they did young high school boys, which is AKB's main demographic. The only ojisans I saw there were chaperoning their grandkids to go meet their oshimens. I honestly give nothing but respect to any girl who dedicates her life to something other than obsessing over boys like an emo hipster, or gorging herself on potato chips while watching television dramas instead of being active with their lives, or worse, getting on the internet and complaining about other girls doing something with their lives, like in comments sections on popular websites.

Don't go to Hotel. If you're seriously falling in love each other and then rent apartment and meet there. If you both do not know how to deal with your situation and then hire me. I'll fix for you. Thus the strong preference for melodrama in TV, cinema and "music" is all of a piece. Isn't there the law that minors majority age is 20 cannot be at work after a certain time at night, the of hours per day, and the total hours working per week? Many of these are still just minors employees hired workers by the agency they're not self-employed working for themselves , so still subject to employee laws for minors.

As such, the agency cannot make them "be at work" at company time the whole day like full-time adult employees. BTW, they're different from soldiers because soldiers involve national security and thus subject to different national security laws. Yes, there are tons of instances where I remember watching something with AKB and as soon as it was like 9pm or 10pm or something, all the younger AKB members had to leave and go home. Minor laws seem to be followed without any problems by bigger idol groups. Not sure about the smaller ones though.

However, you missed the point entirely, I think, about the comparison between idol groups and soldiers. When a soldier enters into basic training, the soldier is not allowed at all to have contact with females until graduating from basic. That's months of training. So the same premise applies to idols, only it's much longer than months of training, it's years of hard work and dedication to the idea of being the queens of a subculture that is built upon the concept of fantasy.

This has absolutely nothing to do with abiding by national security laws And to become an idol, you have to leave all the normal stuff that teenagers do behind and become a talented dancer, musician, and superstar in Japan. I think the idol system is insane for all kinds of reasons. It's sad that the idols themselves have to live in a gilded cage of sorts. True, they signed up for it in the first place, but I imagine a lot of these situations entail pressure from their parents, who want to shave a little off the money their daughters bring in.

Not to mention that some of these women might have self-worth issues that cause them to obsess over fame and "making it", and put themselves through unnecessary tribulations to fuel this dream. These idols, despite getting to enjoy experiences that many people don't get to, are sacrificing some of the development that their non-famous peers go through in the teens and twenties. They aren't getting a chance to learn how to get by in the real world and how to cope with the fact that all the glitz and glamour is going to go away once you're "too old" ie: As for the fans, it's gross to hear about the fact that the producers want to portray a virginal image to the fans, enhancing these folks' delusions that they could get with the girl.

Quit fantasizing about some plastic idol falling in love with you, learn how meet women, learn how to talk to them, and get your life together.

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I'm a nerd myself, so I understand obsessing over something that other people may ridicule you for, but some of these dudes really need to separate their romantic fantasies from the music they listen to. Let musicians or "musicians" in the case of some idols have lives Evan, I think it would really do you some good to actually watch an idol concert, or attend an idol handshake event someday. You'll see that there is definitely an otaku obsession over the idols, as that is the point of them being an idols, but it isn't based in this virginal concept.

Most otakus know that they have zero chance at all to ever get with their oshimen. And most don't sit there and care one way or the other if the girls are virgins or not at least the 's and 's of otaku idol fans I know. You never hear even once at an idol concert a fan screaming something sexual to the girls. I've been to so many idols shows I've lost count at this point, and seriously, not one time did I ever see or hear a fan act sexual or even talk sexual about the girls. The problem is that the media that has talked about the idol industry has done so from the fringes of it, i.

The media has put this terrible idea into so many people's heads that the idol world is all about pervy men wanting to hook up with virginal teens, and they base all of this on one controversial rule of the idol world, which isn't even really a rule at all, but more like a guideline, and that's the no dating or love clause. And everyone just thinks this is SO terrible, but you know what's terrible? Getting knocked up by your boyfriend at age Or getting an abortion because you had a one night stand with a jerk when you were Or getting rejected by everyone because you are a punching bag to your boyfriend at age 17 and you still stand up for the guy.

By being an idol, you are simply putting off the wonderful joys of dating and relationships until a later age, in which case you might be able to have enough self-esteem from all the amazing things you did as an idol to actually have the kind of self-respect that would help you through terrible situations like I just described. By being an idol, you are ALSO avoiding some major bummers when it comes to dating and being with men, which everyone also conveniently forgets is actually more the norm than it is the exception.

I mean, seriously, how many girls today can actually say they married their high school sweetheart? Not many, I imagine. If it were me, I would gladly trade my teenage years and early adult life for a chance to stand onstage and make thousands of people smile every night. I would gladly go to the tsunami affected areas every month like AKB48 has done since March of , and try to spread some free happiness and joy to all the displaced and hurt families in the Tohoku region.

I would gladly stand for 8 hours at a handshake session and embrace all my fans, guys and girls and children alike, and let them know I feel so loved by them. And I would gladly skip out on a crummy relationship and wait until I'm older to find a guy who would actually respect me for what I did as a teen and early adult, and also allow me to respect myself as a woman and stand on my own two feet. And since you talked about fans being delusional, I would also say that the media and those who blindly accept what the media says are the delusional ones.

I mean, did you know that in AKB, for instance, there is the rule that if a girl finds somebody to love, AKB's entire group of girls and staff give that girl their full blessings and hope for the best for them? What's not condoned is the betrayal to the girls in the group when a girl decides to skip out on her duties as a member of a team in AKB and start slacking off and not caring about dances and making the group look bad, all because she decided to start having sex.

Boyfriends are a distraction to what AKB and many idol groups are trying to accomplish, which is why that guideline exists in the first place. It has nothing to do with projecting a virginal fantasy. That's something the media drummed up. Apparently 17 of the AKB48 lineup are 14 years old. All being manipulated, and their 1 Fan! Nobody is pushing this girls to sign a contract? So who is he fault here?

People just not using common sense just saying "Manipulative, exploitative bastards" or "Slevery Agencies". Blame the girls who sign up this contracts. If nobody sign this contract agencies policies will change is simple common sense so use it! It amazes me how many armchair experts completely overlook the fact that at least some girls around the world actually like singing, dancing, etc. Unless you know the girls, and their parents personally, you are just writing fluff. Also, I never said I was their 1 fan.

If you do a split demographic comparison of all the girls and their ages, the average turns out to be I don't count the kenkyuseis because a large majority of them don't make it past the training level and thus, never really become part of AKB. And it makes sense that AKB has started to get younger with their demographic, being that they now have a lot of girls in their early twenties and the idol culture is primarily a teenage based culture , but so what? What's your point by bringing that up? I can't believe people are using the "They signed the contracts, no one put a gun to their heads" defense.

These contracts aren't limiting their talent from dangerous activities like skydiving or even motorcycle riding like some stars are forbidden from doing for insurance purposes. These contracts are telling young woman and girls you can't love or date because you belong to us and you belong to all of these men out there who want to feel like you are theirs, their property, their "dolls". These girls sign these contracts because so many girls before them have and they're desperate to fulfill their dreams and these companies are preying on the desperate and counting on the fact these girls won't fight back for better treatment because they're scared, they're naive.

These girls apparently don't have anyone to fight for them, to unite them. Former idols who realize they were treated poorly need to speak out, start their own company and maybe change the system that way. Because until former child idols speak out about being mistreated like this, these management companies will just keep forcing these obscene contracts on these kids and their ignorant parents. Until JT puts a word restriction on what we write, I'm free to write and state my opinion, however long it may be, and in case you didn't notice, everyone, as usual, likes to attack everything I'm saying, because nobody here likes hearing the truth about the idol industry.

So it gets kind of lengthy when I have ten different people that I have to respond to because they are calling me out personally. And also, if you don't like it, well Someone is stopped them? You make it sound like it's this sweatshop and these girls have no mind of their own and can't make conscious decisions on their own either.

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I dunno, but to me, that's way more degrading of a thought to put out there about the collective Japanese teenage female population as a whole than anything anyone has said so far about idols and their contracts. You basically are saying that because they are young, they are too stupid to realize what they are doing, or that they don't have parents who don't go over these contracts with a fine tooth comb to make sure their little daughters aren't about to get caught up in some kind of nasty business.

I guess in that sense, you are also making a blanket statement that all the parents of these young girls are imbeciles too that don't care one iota for their daughters. Also, do you know why no child idol has come out and said anything that they were mistreated? Because there isn't any kind of mistreatment going on, or at least if it is, it's not the norm but the exception. You should really go back and read my comments a few comments above yours, as many girls in AKB, at least, actually WANT to focus on dancing and singing and becoming the best idols and women that they can be.

They don't feel the need to have a man to make them whole, or to experience first love when they are teenagers. Many AKB girls have come out and said that there is a time and place for that sort of thing, but they have been given a gift and a chance to do something very few people in this world get to do, and they don't want to ruin their dedication and devotion to that gift of being an entertainer. The rule which is actually a guideline, by the way, not even a real rule is in place to keep hormonal girls FOCUSED on being the best possible entertainers they can be, that's all.

And it's also pretty common knowledge if you are an AKB fan and actually subscribe to all the things that AKB does that when a member of AKB finds real love, none of the girls, not management, nor any of the staff, believe it's their place to stand in the way of that. The girl who finds real love is supported, not turned away, or shunned, or mistreated. She left AKB only recently.

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She wasn't screwed up at all by her decision to stay abstinent while in AKB She found real love real fast and now is a proud parent too. Kikuchi has been on several Japanese national magazines lately showing off her beautiful child, and all of her AKB friends are right there with her. I mean, she's one of many examples that disproves just how seedy and horrific it is to be an idol in Japan. Seems to me like it helped prepare to be a great mother and a great wife, and she has a ton of self-respect for her, and a future career in the entertainment industry, all because she decided to join the terrible idol world that is full of managers and staffers who want only to exploit young 14 year olds and turn them into their money machines.

I'm not saying these girls or their legal guardians don't know what is in the contracts, I'm saying just because a worker signs a contract, it doesn't make a contract right with the demands it's asking. Labor history is filled with companies making absurd or criminal demands in their contracts like forcing people to work overtime with no pay or child labor in factories before child labor laws.

These companies are getting away with immoral demands because no one has stood up to them like what has happened in prior examples of unfair and unjust employment conditions. It is actually really upsetting to think with all of these former idols out there that no one has stood up and demanded laws be changed for what the companies can ask of young girls. Cause the problem is, no matter how many girls refuse the contract, there are 10 more who will sign it and that makes it harder for anyone who wants fair treatment.

So, a law needs to happen so the desperate can be saved from themselves and the companies can be punished. The idol thing is a fake world based on illusion. They are basically talentless and far from innocent - so the illusion of talent and innocence is manufactured. Harvey, you are looking at the contracts idols sign as though you are from the Western World.

I suppose you probably have a problem with dogs getting eaten in Korea too. The problem is that in Japan, for over 20 plus years, the idol world has pretty much had the same subculture set up that nobody has a problem with except, apparently, westerners and outsiders who don't understand a thing about Japanese culture, the concept of working for the better of the group and not the individual, and even worse, just assume that the contract idols sign goes against child labor laws.

But whose laws are you referring too? Because I would think in 20 years by now, Japanese government would've shut this down if they had a problem with it. And since they don't have a problem with it, and the parents of the TEENAGE children don't have a problem with it, and the children who sign these contracts don't have a problem with it, then why do you? The industry had all but admitted that its core consumer demographic is middle-aged men.

Meanwhile, the youngest member of Morning Musume at debut: Youngest member of AKB48 at debut: The average age of Momoiro Clover at the time of their debut was 15 and they are currently planning a concert in Fukuoka for male fans only. That the marketing and sales strategies for these idols is centered almost exclusively on their sexuality is something that even their own managers openly admit, citing it as a cornerstone of their market value.

You are being intellectually dishonest to even suggest that these idols aren't being groomed to tap into the buying power of horny middle-aged men. Perverse is precisely the word I would choose to describe this kind of business model. We're talking about an industry whose sole product is predicated almost exclusively on its sexual titillation power, i. The dancing and singing are secondary to the real selling point. Their managers know it. These girls know it. And worst of all, their parents know it.

And don't even get me started on the absurdity of suggesting that if these girls' parents are okay with it, then everything must naturally be okay. The entertainment world the globe over is littered with the tragic, broken wreckage of child entertainers whose parents pimped them out to the industry as a quick path to wealth and comfort under the hopes that their child would be the next big thing. Meanwhile, Japan consistently ranks in the th percentile for countries in terms of gender parity, with women at an overwhelming disadvantage as Japanese society trundles into the 21st century unabashedly favoring and extolling the virtues of a patriarchy that keeps men firmly at the peak of the economic and social pecking order.

Against this backdrop, any minor, particularly one who is 11, 12, or 13 most certainly does not possess the emotional maturity or faculties to make any sort of truly informed decision when signing these ludicrous contracts, regardless of their parents' involvement in the process. And I won't even go into the absurdity of you implying that an illegal contract becomes somehow magically acceptable and binding by virtue of mom and dad signing off on it.

I think you missed my point. They're governed by different laws because of the national security trajectory of their employment, and soldiers got to be adults. It's government laws for the soldiers; it's just company policies for the idols that they have to follow. For soldiers, it's a matter of life or death, not only for themselves but for those they protect, and so the necessary higher requirements. You could easily replace the word "idol" with "slave" in this article and wouldn't read any different. Poor girls are just slaves. This article reminds me of my boyfriend's boss: He makes him work from 10am to 11pm so we can't have any privacy or spend a nice evening together thumbs up This country is sick.

Where do I even begin with the "absurdity" of what you talked about? For starters, you stated that the core demographic of the idol industry are middle-aged MEN. It's not, not even by a long shot. To even imply that it's middle-aged men means you've been drinking the media Kool-aid like everyone else who has never attended an idol concert, or been to an idol handshake event.

I have done these things MANY times, and just based on hundreds of hours of my own personal observation, I actually see more teenage boys than anyone else, followed by young girls, and kids. So yeah, unless you've seen it firsthand, you are just perpetuating the same falsehoods that the media is doing, and so your argument is instantly moot to me in this regard. The entire idol industry to you is nothing more than flesh market? Did it ever occur to you that maybe an enormous amount of idol fans love the music, the dancing, and the personalities of the girls more than their looks?

In fact, if you look at a lot of the AKB girls, there aren't too many that are easy on the eyes And sure, there are some really, really beautiful girls in AKB, and some of these beauties do gravure work, but why shouldn't they? If they are blessed with perfect bodies, should they just all wear habits and hide what they've been naturally blessed with? I'm obviously not talking about the underage girls, or at least I hope you realize that. And there are some phenomenally talented singers in groups like AKB.

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Ever hear Sayanee sing? She is beyond incredible. Put Matsui Jurina next to the world's best dancers, and she can stand her own easily with them. So saying they are just a bunch of meat puppets is actually really, really insulting. There are MANY idols in the industry who have extraordinary talents and personalities, and the management pushes that more than anything else. In fact, I just watched an AKB variety show in which dealt with them talking to Japanese teenagers about real world issues, like suicide, not having self-esteem, and bullying. AKB can get sexy at times, but it's not what it's about at all.

Out of their songs, around 4 songs suggest anything even remotely sexual You must be thinking of K-POP my friend. I don't see how I'm being absurd at all by stating that the parents of a young Japanese girl who wants to become an idol don't have lawyers who look over the contracts for them and help them make an informed decision on whether or not to sign the contract because it somehow is exploitative of children. There must be a lot of lawyers in Japan who don't know what they are doing, I guess. Or worse, you imply that a lot of parents wouldn't pull their child out of an idol group if they felt even a little bit that there was a problem or their child was suffering from it.

You aren't giving a lot of credit to Japanese families, and that's kind of sad to me. Even if an idol contract states that a person can't enter into a sexual relationship, that's actually legal even in Western worlds. Look at companies that prohibit co-workers from dating, or once again, soldiers who sign a contract and aren't allowed to have sex for several months while going through basic training.

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It's the same thing If a soldier is too busy having sex, he might not learn how to shoot a gun, and that could mean his friends could die next to him in battle because he can't defend them. And if an idol starts having sex, she may start screwing up, or worse, if she ends up breaking up with a boyfriend, she might not be able to focus or have a chance to really do her job properly, and she hurts the group as a whole as a result.

Again, it's Japanese group mentality thinking Everyone knows Japanese women rule Japan. I'm married to a Japanese woman, who by the way fully supports the idol world and sees it as an absolutely positive force in Japan, and she would be the first to tell you that women in Japan have made HUGE leaps and strides in the past twenty years, and once again, it's a media perpetuated myth that women in Japan are somehow far, far behind. Look up who is the most successful and richest Japanese musical artist living today and who made the most money in the past ten years.

No, I'm looking at these contracts from the modern world. Fair labor practices or treating employees as human beings isn't a Western world, it's a civilized one. There is nothing about these contracts that are for the betterment of the group. Everyone is hardly being treated equal. Japan does many things right, but the "idol culture" or the treatment of idols isn't one of them. And you know they don't have a problem with this how?

You think these girls like having to sneak around, being shamed in the media when they're seen leaving apartments or these girls enjoy crying on TV and apologizing and or shaving their head because they are guilty of dating for god's sake? Cos if if there was it would be reported by the stellar news media here. Japan's entertainment industry is slacking, oftentimes just boring in part because of these kinds of ruthless and mostly hidden practices, with corrupt old men on top of everything. Did you just bring up Minami's head shaving scandal?

I can't even talk about this anymore with you, considering that was one incident, a knee jerk reaction, and now a funny joke among all the AKB members that didn't do anything at all to Minami's career. In fact, she's now a captain of one of AKB's team, and one of the most respected and treasured idols in the idol world. Yep, that really hurt her. Or uh, hey, what about Sasshi? She had a scandal, screwed around, and now is the current number one ranked AKB member, getting the most votes any member in AKB's history has ever received during their annual Sousenkyo.

Fair is relative, don't you think? And clearly you are invoking the Western concept of "fair" when you are talking about contracts in Japan. Idols are treated very, very fairly by their management and agencies, unless giving idols spots in TV commercials, variety shows, making them superstars and worshipped by all, and helping them go on after being an idol to become famous actresses or seiyus or solo artists is "unfair. And yeah, management makes money of the pursuit of these dreams by the girls, but, duh, that's modern capitalism You still haven't said a single thing that is verifiable proof that idols are this oppressed working class who have it so bad.

They don't, and I've provided many instances of proof of this. Not disputing that Japan still has work to do in terms of achieving gender equality, but that's true of every country in the world, some more than others. But how this has anything to do with the idol world is where I take objection The highest paid musician in Japan is a female, and a former idol, and if things were as bad and as mysogynistic as everyone claims the idol world to be, this couldn't happen. More to the point, the idol world isn't a reflection of Japan's lack of gender progression, but a reflection of empowerment.

The problem is that articles like the one we're discussing now are built on baseless facts that continue to only point out the very few missteps the idol world has had, and call that the norm. It's not, and the problem that keeps happening is that all the people who criticize the idol world actually have ZERO experience with it, and only read and see what media say about it, all of which is, of course, the negative stuff, because negative sells in the news.

Spend five hours today, watch every AKB program you can online, rent the AKB documentary The Show Must Go On, and witness the incredible works of charity these girls did for the tsunami victims of Japan and still do , deal with growing up as national idols, feel like failures and cry because they couldn't perform well live at their first Dome tour and NOT because they had a scandal, and most of all, listen to how educated and smart and incredibly perceptive and STRONG the girls are in AKB in this documentary. If you can honestly look me in the face afterwards and say there is some kind of gender equality problem in the idol world, well I can't say what I want to say here, but it involves you doing something to nuts.

I know many Japanese who have contracts as part time employees and they are not informed of their legal holiday entitlement under the labour law and or even take any holiday entitlement, as many employees are ignorant of the law and when they are aware they feel they are breaking the harmony if they point out their legal right to their employers.

Have you ever been to one of these AKB48 cafes? I mean the customers going there.

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First of all, they're not "naturally blessed". Many of gravures do have plastic surgery AND many of them are underage. Or wear school uniforms to please Japanese middle age men. No need to deny that. I'm married to a Japanese woman, who by the way fully supports the idol world and sees it as an absolutely positive force in Japan, and she would be the first to tell you that women in Japan have made HUGE leaps and strides in the past twenty years.

How long have you been living here? Obviously not long enough. Turn on your TV tonight and tell me more about Japanese women empowerment. Many idols are teenagers. Contractual obligation is good for them. No boyfriends during teen years means no early or unwanted pregnancy. Besides that they have already well established in their career and enviable bank account before they become adult. One Idol success is good for her collages, her company and her parents. When the iron is hot, sword smith needs to strike it very hard for making quality swords.

Idols will not young forever. Harry Potter movie sequels have made all Child actors hit the jackpot before they have grown up.