I realize that many people currently disregard Gretsch serial numbers as meaningless. This is the prevailing opinion in the vintage drum literature and statements made by several of the experts. One noted exception is John Sheridan, who developed a Rule of Thumb for round badge drums based upon the number of digits in the serial numbers. Today their serial number guides are not only accepted, but relied upon in the vintage drum community.
It just seems that no one had done the data collection for Gretsch before. So, to end this long post, I ask for two things: Keep your reports coming. Be patient as this effort of more than four years is getting much closer to a conclusion. There should be a Gretsch Dating Guide available later this year.
Apr 19, 2. Looking forward to seeing the paper! I was happy to contribute a small brick my sq badge Gretsches in this wall of information. Apr 19, 3.
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Info for 6 more drums just sent! Apr 19, 4. Rick, I'll get you info for these babies that I just picked up not to mention check on those nickel parts for you! Okay, this was a shameless way to show off my new Gs. Apr 19, 5. Rick is on to something here and I truly believe this info will be "the" source when published. Those numbers make sense on RB drums and I applaud you for chugging along despite the many naysayers. The drums in factory built sets may have serial numbers several hundred digits apart, but there was definitely a general order to the batches of labels through from the 60's on.
I applaud this effort Jun 25, 6. Hope it's not too late, I just sent four more numbers! Looking forward to the report Oct 20, 7. I happen to have a what I believe early 80's Gretsch Custom since and to this day I have not been able to find out a rough idea about the production year. I could help with Ludwig or Slingerland but there is no serious information out there for Gretsch and I am dying to know: Pink Champagne Sparkle Hardware: As to the "CS", since this is also my initials, would be curious to know what that refers to.
I did ask Gretsch twice but they don't seem to have time for this sort of thing. The drums may be too young to be in the upcoming list, can you or anyone give me a guide on production year?
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Oct 20, 8. Rick, thank you for your efforts! I don't own any Gretsch, but I'm sure this will be an invaluable resource for the community. Oct 21, 9.
Oct 21, Thanks a lot Rick! First of all, you are right about the 12" tom, that used to be 10" deep and it looked like a cannon over the 18"BD, ing to say the least. I had it cut down professionally to 7,5" using on both sides one old hole and drilling one new one for each lug. Does not show at all, sounds great.
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As to your date of manufacture suggestion, that's what I "love" about Gretsch: From the set it looks like a clean but the serial numbers don't match. Enclosed a picture of the set as well as 2 pictures from what I believe a catalog according to Gretsch a with reference to your link. The only difference is the BD-hoops, in the catalog black and mine are natural which Gretsch did offer at the time. The previous owner - I checked my records - suggested actually.
To cover the snare drum from March , who made that shell? That drum was a real Gretsch Classic by the way, it had been at the Frankfurt Music Trade Show largest in the world in April of , I bought 11 months later, I could not get that thing to sound right and took it apart: The snare beds were great, but the shell wasn't drilled correctly and the beds were off center quite a bit.
The only good part of that story is a replacement shell arrived within 2 weeks. The dealer said at the time Gretsch only made 8 custom drums per day, may be they should only make ? Picture 2 View attachment I am not very knowledgable about shell manufacture. I think there are probably some threads on DFO discussing whether shells from those time periods would be Jasper, Keller, or some other manufacturer. Perhaps someone with that knowledge will come along and enlighten us. Edit - Here is a useful thread: Oct 22, One thing that I can add about my set is, unlike the pictures show in the catalog, the bass drum head originally was clear and not white.
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